I find it's almost impossible to do complex(tulpa/wonderland) visualization while tired and caffeine doesn't seem to help much. I'm curious if anyone has had a similar issue and found a way to "beat" it or if I have to forgo visualization for those days.
tbh I find wonderland stuff a little easier to do while tired, maybe it's because it makes dissociation a bit easier as that actually happens as you fall asleep
hmm maybe I'm not tired enough then though I have tried staying up 24+ hours then forcing before it didn't seem so do much , one nice thing is if I can zone out enough while trying stay awake I can hear Hanna better I think but it may just be those voices you sometimes get right before falling asleep
to be more detailed I find the more tired I am the faster what I'm trying to visualize turns into a sort of blotchy static then I fall asleep
7:32 PM
or just get stuck with the static for the rest of the time I'm trying to force for, the only thing that fights at all is keeping things in motion but that's hard to keep up if I haven't even gotten gotten things settled so to speack
I tend to respond to beginner questions a lot, and reiterate that point a lot - so most likely, the fact that it is being "said a lot" is influencing that statement, @Srn347.
The more something is said, the more common it seems in general, even if it is just one person saying it a lot.
9:01 PM
@Kaliya Simple - potential speed at potential cost of large delays and/or outright failure is generally considered to be a negative trade, particularly in cases where the goal is meant to be success and there is no deadline.(edited)
9:02 PM
That is, if people are actually looking to make a tulpa rather than looking to be able to say they made a tulpa.
My goal when advising people is always to help people make a tulpa that is both developed (as in: as fully equal to the host as possible) as well as persistent (not simply going away or experiencing large regression/large change in personality if the host forgets about them for half of a month).
Hm, I've no issue with the faster methods. I only worry that there is such a focus on having results within a certain time period, and that only improve instead of fluctuate, that it causes more problems to focus so specifically.(edited)
Indeed, the creation process is a time for discovery and testing. The process itself is enjoyable, complicated, and can be done many ways. It does not have to be monolithic or painstaking.
I certainly don't think people should go into making a tulpa thinking that it will always be a fun experience, or that it needs to be fun all the time.
...I have no issue with people enjoying making tulpas, but if people are making a tulpa specifically to enjoy the process of it, I think they are missing a very large part of the point.
Yes, that is true. It should not be a chore either. Though it is often overused, think of a tulpa as a child. Children are not all fun to raise, but they should not be a chore. Imagine a child brought up with a parent telling them how much of a chore they are. It should be enjoyed because it is so important to continue the process that motivation and enthusiasm should be core aspects of the creation process.(edited)
